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Poster: DEADBUCK Date: Jun 5, 2006 5:17am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Vince Passing

It appears to me that though he was not perhaps the most popular keyboard man for the band he was still appreciated by some or at least one of the members. After visiting a Vince site I was sad to learn what appears to be that the others would not give him the time of day after he lost his crap on the catdog bus years ago...SAD SAD SAD if it is the case. Like I found myself explaining to my 13 yr old....there appears to be members of the band who are on a mostly business journey through music and there WERE others who were on a musical journey...There is a need for both I believe but if I were on the musical side and died say in the last 11 years...I would haunt the bastards who shun other brothers for no good reason... I am glad to know the ones who said their love would not fade away let it fade!
Van Halen asked where have all the good times gone? good question! Oh well!

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Jun 5, 2006 6:05am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Vince Passing

Wow - I am saddened by this news as well - haven't been on the computer since he passed. What a shame - hate to see the world lose another musician. I was never a Vince fan, but it was certainly not his fault. The band was a shell of its former self by the time vince joined. He received so much blame when the other band members couldn't hold it together themselves. Not even pigpen or brent could have saved the band by '92. So sad that some of the band members wouldn't give him the time of day during his tenure (if true - and i believe it). Over the past year or so I have lost a lot of respect for certain individual musicians who i once held dear to my musical heart. This news only drags my heart futher downward.
Rest well Vince and give Jerry a hug for all of us. May you finally find the peace that apparently escaped you during the final years of your life. May God bless you Vince.

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Poster: cousinkix1953 Date: Jun 5, 2006 8:48am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Vince Passing

"Over the past year or so I have lost a lot of respect for certain individual musicians who i once held dear to my musical heart."

Amen! Bob Weir pulled the plug on the archive; so he can trade on his past rather than the present and future.

The Phil & Friends INSTANT LIVE (TM) CDs are sold exclusively by the CLEAR CHANNEL gang. Lesh sold out to the BushCo cronies; who paid for the current regeime and it's wars.

Fools, who attend the BGP (aka Clear Channel) shows and patronize their facilities might as well have voted for King George too. And you are now helping to finance his successor, whomever that is in 2008.

Clear Channel owns many of those syndicated right wing hate radio programs. They provided a pill popping Rush Limbaugh, with the means to ridicle Jerry Garcia's drug problems, only hours after the mass media reported his death in 1995. I haven't been to a BGP show or thier facilities since SFX Entertainment sold out a few years ago.

You'd better hope that Clear Channel doesn't gobble up the GDM business in Charlottesville Virginia. Would Deborah Koons sell out to this bunch? I won't buy any more Dead stuff in that case...

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Poster: lastcall Date: Jun 5, 2006 3:55pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Vince Passing

WHY THE HELL ARE YOU HIJACKING THIS POST TO RANT ON LIKE A COMPLETE FOOL?

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Poster: cosmicharlie Date: Jun 5, 2006 10:08am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Vince Passing

for cousinkix1953 and others
http://www.clearchannel.com/Corporate/PressRelease.aspx?PressReleaseID=1167&p=hidden

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Poster: Spaced Date: Jun 14, 2006 4:02am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Vince Passing

Regrets to Vince's family. We come from God, and to God we'll return.

It _is_ important to know that the Dead, hopefully not forever lacking the grateful part, play for ClearChannel. According to the SF Chron, ClearChannel paid people to attend a Sacramento rally backing the war -- and only 3000 showed up to counter large-scale war protests in SF.

I also find it odd the claims that Weir and M. Hart joined the Bohemian Club. It would be great if you could change things from the inside, but those guys built the house of cards. They disgracefully benefit from extreme lies and war profiteering.

It's not at all clear we're on our own, it's blues for Allah, insh'allah (God willing).

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Poster: Purple Gel Date: Jun 5, 2006 10:32am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Vince Passing

As someone who is on record on this site as not giving much credence to the Vince years, I must say that the passing of a "family" member is always heartbreaking. I am appalled at the alleged treatment that he recieved from various members of the band. I wish I could say that I expected more from them, but that ship has sailed. Bob, the Drummers and, yes, even Phil ( who seems to get a lot more slack from Deadheads ) ought to be ashamed of themselves. Whether you liked his contributions to the sound or not, Vince was and always will be an integral part of the GD legacy. I have boycotted all GDM products and have refrained from attending any Ratdog or PL&F shows since the SBD debacle of 11/05 and this treatment of a former colleague of theirs only serves to re-enforce my resolve to never spend any of my hard earned money on these callous people. Vince's passing is a sad occasion for me and all Deadheads. RIP

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Poster: cosmicharlie Date: Jun 5, 2006 11:48am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Vince Passing

maybe boycott all the music that the surviving members are playing too? past and present?
I don't think Vince's relationship with Bobby was as simplistic or abusive as rumored/alleged. Takes two to dance.
Wonder what Bob's side to the story of their falling out in 1995 is?
Vince dies(and i hope it was not suicide, which is a cop out) and the bitterness begins.
Rest in PEACE, Vince! And God bless the rest


This post was modified by Rastamon on 2006-06-05 18:48:13

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Poster: Purple Gel Date: Jun 5, 2006 12:50pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Vince Passing, re: boycot

Rastamon,
I also hope that Vince did not commit suicide, not because it is a copout, as you so crassly put it, but that it would just indicate how deep his pain and sorrow actually was.
I do boycott all their music, past and present. I haven't bought any GD related music or merch since last Thanksgiving. Prior to that I spent literally tens of thousands of dollars over 30 odd (And they were quite odd....lol) years, purchasing most of what was offered commercially and for the live experience, however, I will not send any more money their way.
I also refuse to feel hypocritical or guilty about my live collection for 2 reasons:
1) I took Jerry at his word when he said that after they played it the music belonged to us
2) Because until all of the ugliness of the last half year or so, (including Bob's "See Ya" comments, the general dismissiveness of Deadheads in their comments after the pulling of the SBDs, and the reports {which I do believe} about the treatment of Vince) I did spend a significant portion of my income loyally supporting the Grateful Dead and all related projects.
Respect should be a 2-way street as well, and I have not seen GDM or most of those associated with them (with the exception of the Barlowe) showing appreciation for what were the most loyal fans in music.

REST IN PEACE, Vince.

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Poster: NedCat Date: Jun 5, 2006 12:29pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Vince Passing

Such a long, long time to be gone & a short time to be there.

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Poster: NedCat Date: Jun 5, 2006 12:33pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Vince Passing

Hay Cuz? keep you shallow political opinions/agenda to yourself, K?.....we got noe time for U!

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Poster: cousinkix1953 Date: Jun 5, 2006 3:09pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Vince Passing

Millions of Heads have a right to know when they're helping to finance the BushCo gang with their entertainment dollars. Notice how that link to the Clear Channel site does not even address any of the issues that are related to Dead merchandise or concerts.

Who cares if a Clear Channel station in the East Bay refused to play those Dixie Chicks; while another in Monterey continued to do so in their ratation. Tell me something that I didn't already know...

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Poster: Purple Gel Date: Jun 5, 2006 4:03pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Vince Passing

Clear Channel's Propoganda Website is not neccessarily the place to get the truth about them anyway. I don't go to Phillip Morris' Site to find out about the effects of smokin, nor do I visit Exxon/Mobil to get the truth about global warming.

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Poster: liranfa Date: Jun 5, 2006 4:29pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Vince Passing

Both the San Francisco Chronicle and the San Jose Mercury News reported that Vince's passing was indeed a suicide.

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Poster: cosmicharlie Date: Jun 5, 2006 7:13pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Vince Passing

i go to both viewpoints (even 3). So I "force" myself to grok different viewpoints and discern the truth, which i find freeing, but with an insideous price....from which spirit or focal point their perception comes from...hmmmm...driften 'n dreamin...u gotta DL a great Dark Star today.period

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Poster: Jerrob Hungar Date: Jun 5, 2006 8:06am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Vince Passing

http://www.vincewelnick.com/index.php?module=pnForum&func=viewtopic&topic=315

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Jun 6, 2006 6:56am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Vince Passing

I read that yesterday too and was absolutely appalled. I realize that it is somewhat "hearsay" at this point. But it is just all so believable. I was so goddam "doe-eyed" when i was "touring" with them, i couldn't see them for what they really were - a machine. I want to believe that Jerry had an entirely different "belief system" in the whole scene - but jerry either didn't have or didn't want to have the backbone to scuttle the ship. But anyways, that post on vince's website just floored me. To be honest, i really don't care what bob's "version of events are" (wrong of me, i know). after the "see ya" comment, this was just the icing on the cake. i used to love going to ratdog shows and always loved bob's interesting rhythm style - just really really tough to listed to him now. I know he certainly is not the only prick in the music business by a long shot. He was always just one of my favorite musician/singers - and to me, it is just so very tainted now. my loss i guess.
i need to listen to some KIMOCK to cheer me the hell up!!!

This post was modified by direwolf0701 on 2006-06-06 13:56:50

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Poster: doodle Date: Jun 6, 2006 7:15am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Vince Passing, Cut the crap

I am as sorry as the nxt guy that Vince is gone. The loss of human life is always tragic. The fact that Vince may or may not have taken his own is sad and confusing. But, for the endless stream of people who are now taking the time to fill up this site with the bashing of other people (i.e. the rest of the band), just freakin' drop it. You all read this one guy's editorial, and I stress, EDITORIAL, and you take it as the gospel truth and you all ordain yourselves worthy of casting judgement, like anyone has to answer to you. Get off your high-horses. I read this guy's post and it sounds like someone lost a friend and that they're pretty emotional. Period. Let him grieve, let him vent, let him whatever, but don't be the stupid mob that then rushes to burn down the monster's castle only to find out that you are in fact the cruel heartless, mean ones who have rushed to judgement and caused irreparable damage.
Peace

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Poster: cosmicharlie Date: Jun 6, 2006 7:54am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Vince Passing, Cut the crap

It's too bad IF Vince killed himself. I believe most suicides are a rather selfish act to get "back" at people. That big WHY? and what did I do wrong? He had his own demons and charactor flaws to deal with (as we all do).
And, assuming that it was suicide, Vince chose death over life, and where the chips may fall as a result -with some survivors playing the blamegame. Which sucks.
He's gone, (maybe his choice) and I'll miss him. I enjoyed his contribution to the GD and Missing Man Formation.
On a lighter note (dare I?) i bet Bruce Hornsby is shittin bricks!

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Jun 6, 2006 8:18am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Vince Passing, Cut the crap

lol!!! yeah, this don't bode well for hornsby does it. that would suck from a human and musical perspective. i love hornsby's playin.
btw - i do agree with you on the suicide issue. it is one of the most selfish acts a human can perform. i have known several people over the years who have done this, and the emotionally crippling ripple effect on those who loved them is enormous. death through illness is devastating enough. i can certainly "understand" why one may do it (lord know i had serious thoughts of that during hard times in the past) - but understanding does not do anything to alleviate the utter selfishness of the act itself. (damn, i am a windbag today)

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Jun 6, 2006 7:46am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Vince Passing, Cut the crap

dear mr. doodle,
"we" are just NOW taking the time to bash the other band members??? guess you haven't been on this site too long. and if you took the time to read my last post, i said the editorial was hearsay. i just happened to believe it contains more than a grain of truth.
i had previously cast my judgment on bob weir from the words i listened to him speak. when any person speaks forth publicly with his/her views on issues - i am certainly "worthy of casting judgment" when it comes to his/her spoken opinion on the issue in question. his interview several months back said it all. the "monsters castle" burned down many months ago in the viewpoint of many dead fans. any irreperable damage has not been caused by those rushing to judgment - it was caused by the spoken word.
and by the way, the archive was kind enough to put in seperate grateful dead forum - so we don't have to "drop it." if you don't like what is said in these forums, only read the etree (et.al.) forums.

p.s.
(i can be kind of cruel and heartless at times, so i'll give you that one) :)
plus, i'm kinda bored at work today

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Poster: Olias of Sunhillow Date: Jun 6, 2006 8:42pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Vince Passing, Cut the crap

I very much agree with what doodle has said here.

It is unfortunate that Vince's passing is being used as an excuse for the Weir-bashers to again unleash their vitriolic rants. Bob Weir is no saint, and his interview about the Archive SBDs was inexcusable. But no one in the Dead was above reproach -- those of you who worship at the shrine of St. Jerry need to remember that he was not above acts that seem callous or unfeeling then or in retrospect. Jerry's passing was not the cause of the Dead's downfall, but rather was the conclusion of that process -- unlike the other surviving members, Vince included, Jerry had the "good fortune" to pass before things inevitably got messy and the fact that NONE of the boys were angels became obvious.

The thread at vincewelnick.com includes inciteful posts that suggest that the Dead were "Jerry with a backing band" -- listen to any show from 1986 and tell me if you seriously feel that way -- and that Bob Weir is basically directly responsible for Vince's decision to take his own life. This kind of uninformed, incendiary CRAP shows that Deadheads, like the Dead themselves, are very capable of acting in reprehensible ways.

This post was modified by Olias of Sunhillow on 2006-06-07 03:42:36

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Poster: mUSICPLAYS THE BAND Date: Jun 6, 2006 10:36pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Vince Passing, Cut the crap

I have to speak out now. I can't keep it in any longer. The music is OURS( The dead and the heads) I go to listen to some classic jams to ease my soul that was recorded by my brother with consent from my other brothers and now all i experience is some broken up streaming bullshit from the GD Family. fuck You GDM.I call for an official boycott. The Music is OURS!!!!! I recently saw a Ratdog show. It was the last one i will ever attend. It was the worst conceert i have ever seen. This is the end of an era! Pack it up now ....while you can save some dignity. RIP Vince NOdge

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Poster: laowai Date: Jun 7, 2006 11:01am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Vince Passing, Cut the crap

My this thread has moved a long way from poor Vince.

There seem to be lots of Weir haters. I can understand that after his immature SEE YA though I don't agree with every invective. I am a big fan of Barlow in his post-Dead career with EFF. Bet those two have a lot to talk about. If they ever talk..

How did musicians make money before the wax cylinder? Did they not do what BB King has just finally stopped doing? Did they not get off their arses ( or asses ) when they wanted some money and actually play in realtime to live living people?

By the same token, should we all not be making the effort to remember what music is really about and making sure we get off our arses to go and see some live bands play in between stream-grabbing and aud-downloading? Maybe you are - good on you - but what is the point in downloading more music than you can listen to? Don't defend yourself with the 'collector' tag, You're not collector you're a hoarder. You know the price of everything and the value of nothing. Why do you want a 'personal archive?' What are you? The Smithsonian? If you trade, introduce and share fair enough but if you admit you haven't listened to a lot of it...

I like to think that playing music live in the here and now is what Jerry was about. I hope it's what LMA is about too. Promoting the joy of witnessing music played right there where you are. It's wonderful to have the ability to visit the there and then from a PC, laptop, tape machine CD player, whatever. We were so lucky to have so much access to so much good music for so long. And you know we can still dip in when we want.

Maybe if The Dead had kept playing Ramrod could have kept his job. He would have had something to do. I doubt whether the popularity of LMA had anything to do with that decision.

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Poster: midnight sun Date: Jun 7, 2006 4:37pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Vince Passing, RIP

Agree. If anything LMA popularity created a massive resurgence in gd interest. It sure did it for me.

It would appear that this fooled the opportunistic GDM into believing that somehow ALL of the sbd's had some kind of value in the mainstream market, when the real value was in the hearts of the live music sub-culture members.

Deadheads and other live music fanatics are not special or superior, just different (and in some cases really, really different). They embrace the live music artform for all the same reasons mainstream audiences reject it.

RIP Ramrod.
RIP Vince.

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Poster: lostmoon Date: Jun 10, 2006 11:21am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Vince Passing, RIP

Never was a huge Vince fan, but it is always time for pause when someone you know passes on.

As far as GDM & the GD go, the LMA has provide me an opportunity to move on into the "what came next" part of my musical life. I don't agree w/what GDM did, but it is not my call.

Sure, I like reaching into my own GD archive now & again, but not nearly at the rate I use to - and I certainly don't get my checkbook out anymore...
There is too much new stuff out there to check out.

Vince, may you forever RIP.